I left LFDO.
EDIT: My first post announcing that I left was a bit hostile and got deleted. Then I try going about it as friendly as I can, and it's still deleted. Wow, just wow.
Why is he a hypocrite?
Wow, my first post in here in a while.
He says he supports open source but wants to switch to vBulliten
EDIT: Now that Jason replied, Ionno why I stayed there in the first place.
What a.. Alot of Free Software/Open Source sites are switching to vBulletin lately. I know what attracts them to it since vB certainly seems to be one great board, but it also has one big flaw, it's proprietary.
There are other promising boards to consider such as SMF for example, but I'm sure phpbb can be brought to a good state as well. I didn't see that much problems on LFDO with phpbb myself.
Ah well.. Jason is a nice guy but this is a temptation he can't resist I guess (and he's not alone it seems). I for one, at least, am not switching to any proprietary forum. There is just no real need for such a drastic step.
Btw, welcome back Nihilanth :-)
I've just read through that thread a_thing linked to and now I see what's happened. The forum has been sold to that guy CoreWizard which explains alot of things. (why libervis banner dissappeared without notice for one, I guess our old deal is now off, whatever)
I'd say LFDO is in for a rough ride in the coming days/weeks. Somebody unknown coming in and taking over forums that big gotta hurt.
well I think while some site uses proprietary software isn't actually a reason to avoid it (as people who visits the site don't lose their freedom), a GNU/Linux site using such proprietary software does help to spread a false idea that non-free software runs under GNU/Linux are okay and are "good" for the community.
There also seems to be many people who simplifies the ideas of software freedom as "anti-microsoft" or something like that, and considers only things from MS are bad, others are all good (when they are "for" it), or considers people who likes free software as simply want to do nothing but digging at Microsoft (when they are against it).
I agree Whistler. Two most popular webmaster sites I am a member of use vBulletin like if it was obligatory and if I principally avoided them I don't think I would be any better off, in a contrary. My freedoms aren't affected by the fact that they run off proprietary software, but of course I would principally preffer them with phpbb..
Free Software/Open Source related sites like LinuxForums.org are a different story. It sets an example, as you already pointed out..
As for the anti-MS attitude I think it would be reasonable to say that just plainly hating MS because it's kind of cool in a given circle is pretty pointless and silly. Actually, hate itself isn't really a good thing. I consider myself anti-MS and may often admittelly fall to that hate trap, but I at least know the arguments and have too many times seen this company and other companies like this at work on things far from ethical.
What's important is not to "hate" or be "anti" any particular company, but more against particular (un)ethical business model and generally ways of doing things that are unethical. If a given company fails to behave ethically and we're aware of that, we have full right, if not obligation to not support them and even boycott them if neccessery. This is a way we can make a difference.
That said I don't like the attitude some people have about Microsoft, to take the popular example, in which they say something like "I don't hate MS, I actually like their products and use them, but I am all for FOSS and GNU/Linux".
Well, that's something like that corewizard guy from LinuxForums said:
One more thing I should add here, I also windows from time to time, don't have much against it, I'm not one of those anti-microsoft guys. I also wrote a couple of articles about how to Secure a windows work station...
If you ask me you can't be fully ethically aware if you know about MS's ethics and practices and still say you're not anti-MS. And if you don't know about their practices and ethics than you're plainly underinformed, which can be remedied.
So when a guy says he is not one of those "anti-microsoft" guys and then posts links to his windows articles on a GNU/Linux forums he just happened to have bought I don't think he is going to be what we would call a *strong FOSS community leader*. So far he seems to be just another business guy which has some afinity for informatics and especially IT security.
But I guess LinuxForums.org will serve it's purpose anyway. People will get help, but don't expect forum owners to be all to enthusiastic about keeping forums clean of things like MS's advertisements and proprietary apps on the site.
But we'll see what happens. I'm gonna stay there (although I never was too active) as a content development team member and soon contribute a review. That community is still something precious.
I too have become somewhat disenchanted with Linux Forums lately, though the IRC channel is still the same as it has always been, with friendly, helpful people. :-D
I don't have that much of an issue with the bulletin software being proprietary as I do the fact that the bulletin software is crap. I'm still not comfortable navigating it and it's a pain in the ass to view threads when you're not logged in because it does this "one post at a time" view by default, among other unintuitive things.
And the whole site has been much slower and experiencing more downtime recently.
I'm also not too happy with the fact that many people's requests in the "Feedback" section are not being answered by the admin. Jason used to respond to pretty much everything, but now all of the comments are being ignored. Oh well. =/