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A Non-traditional Open and Cooperative Business Proposition

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MediaMind XKLiber LiberFish .

MediaMind
XKLiber
LiberFish

... okay now I'm just being silly!

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We sure do need more people,

We sure do need more people, and yes it would be good to publish an announcement of this project widely, but I agree with Taco that we should wait a bit and see some more of members on Libervis Network involved. At least one other person may say provide some input at least, Pascal Klein. Anyone else who is reading this and considers getting involved in any way, even if it is just proposing an idea, please it's time to speak. Eye

tbuitenh wrote:

I think saying we are just four guys is an overstatement. You, monserrat, appear to be very busy, I will be extremely busy for the next year, so maybe we should say we are two guys plus two guys talking Sticking out tongue .

Yes, unfortunately so. That just emphasizes the need for involvement by more people. I am all for this and would be willing to invest as much time as I can to it. I'd want to register Libervis Network legally as part of this cooperative, even if web publishing wouldn't be the main business model. In that case it could simply be its subset.

tbuitenh wrote:

In the past we have talked about an "ethical advertising business", basically an adspace reselling company that follows the libervis advertising policy, with optional extra rules like "suitable for children". It's a good idea, provided that we have a member who can understand money stuff (hint: not me) who lives in a country with paypal, as that is a very common payment method on the net these days.

Yes, that may still be a possibility, but again my programming skills aren't up to the task at actually designing the system needed for such an operation. I can only use phpadsnew, but that's about it. So that idea would definitely need a dedicated programmer onboard. Actually we could use someone like that either way.

tbuitenh wrote:

Another option is to be an advertising agency (both designing ad campaigns and getting them onto websites) with a free twist... don't ask me what that would be in practice.

Yes, something like that wouldn't necessarily even require a special system. In fact Libervis.com is represented by one such agency which doesn't have special web system and another (text-link-ads.com which does). Eye I'm not sure that, with those options existing and offering full control over our advertising, we could have much chance. FossExhchange.com has also already started with banner exchanges for the FOSS world which I believe has potential, and have started using already for both of our sites. Smiling

tbuitenh wrote:

Maybe we should literally think outside the box, that is computer. Is there something we can do offline? It seems it's easier to make money outside the net, even in this day and age.

We are scattered all over the world. I'm not sure how far would that go. It's hard enough even online regarding legal issues and payment options, let alone offline stuff. Of course though, if you have an idea feel free to say. I might be missing some options. Smiling

As for a name both TechLiber and LiberMedia sound pretty good to me. TechLiber seems unique as there is no google result for it at all. LiberMedia may be taken in some places though so I'm not sure. Another name I could propose which is unique is "Libernode" or something that includes that word. "Libernode" is actually my codename for Libervis Network and currently the name of my computer. Eye

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MediaMind?
tbuitenh wrote:

MediaMind
XKLiber
LiberFish

... okay now I'm just being silly!

Hey MediaMind sounds kinda cool. Smiling Pitty though that there seem to be some entities already using the name, like MediaMind.be

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Reading this there seem to

Reading this there seem to be some great ideas so far. Let me throw in a couple more:

Auditors: We audit peoples software to make sure it complies with the Free Software license it has been put under
[Problem might be that we are not lawyers].

License Advisors: We advise on the best Free Software license for a companies needs [Again a problem with not being lawyers]

As for names TechLiber sounds good, I'm awful at names so I havn't thought of anything myself.

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TechLiber seems to be in the

TechLiber seems to be in the wrong order... My mind reads it as "the freedom not to use technology". What about LiberTech?

Another angle to look at the "problem": each of you, tell us an existing company and product that you would consider your ideal job and project.
Mine: benetech / martus

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TechLiber seems to
tbuitenh wrote:

TechLiber seems to be in the wrong order... My mind reads it as "the freedom not to use technology". What about LiberTech?

The problem with LiberTech is that it is used by many sites/companies already (just search for it in any large search engine).

I'll think about your question as the day goes on tbuitenh.

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In that case, we might be

In that case, we might be confused with the libertechs even if we call ourselves techliber.

I think the less generic a name is, the better. So perhaps it's better to avoid words like "tech", "mind", "media", "web", "net", etc etc.
Libernode is the best name until now, but it has already been stuck to a project before and that might make us restrict our minds thinking about what we should do.

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names names..
tbuitenh wrote:

Another angle to look at the "problem": each of you, tell us an existing company and product that you would consider your ideal job and project.
Mine: benetech / martus

I haven't really looked through alot of company websites to find a specific one, but it should be something with Free Software that I can do. One example may be working in a PC vendor company (such as Croatian HGSpot installing and testing GNU/Linux on computers which are sold with it.

As for a name maybe we could find a completely new one. Maybe we could create a wordplay on Digital Revolution or Network Revolution? Digilution, Netlutions, Illusions (ok I'm just kidding about that one). Eye

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Digilution sounds like

Digilution sounds like delusion Laughing out loud .

Here's another idea: create a mixed media game. Text, images, music, video, anything goes. There are two options to get advertisers to pay us a LOT:

- Adventure game. Between the in-game shops there are a few real shops. I don't really like this idea but it's OK.

- Hide and seek puzzle game. Hide clues everywhere around the net, if the game is cool and popular enough then companies will be happy to pay for having a clue hidden on their website. At the same time the storyline could gently educate players about the importance of information freedom. If we design and organize it well enough, many players will at first not be entirely sure if the game is real or not. For example we could start by asking our web friends to put a tiny apparently meaningless button on the bottom of their pages, which will link to a mysterious looking login screen. Once everything is set up, make an anonymous post with a password to a popular website, and the game can begin! (note: every incoming link should be combined with a different password, this is part of the puzzle. another part of the puzzle is figuring out which pages of what websites the tiny button will appear on)

Hmmm... actually "digilution" could be a good name for the bad guys in the story of the game Smiling

Another note: if we decide to create that second game, of course this post should be deleted. If the rest of you think this idea is great, we should talk about it in a thread that isn't public.

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I like the idea of the

I like the idea of the second game, though I worry that it may be a bit short term; once people have finnished the game they will not come back as it were.

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