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A Non-traditional Open and Cooperative Business Proposition

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"libervisco" wrote:

thought for a while about setting up a stricter work/sleep/freetime schedule to stick to even if I'll have to add a sort of personal "DRM" functionality to my computer forcing me to keep to it (like shutting down or locking me up when its time for sleep, or something. Laughing)

I've written a bash script which does exactly this, it gives me five minutes warning before switching off the computer at a time set in the script. It also checks if emerge is running so that I don't shutdown while updating stuff (this could easily be changed to pacman or apt-get).

dylunio

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[off topic] That's awesome

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That's awesome dylunio. Smiling I'm not sure I'd want it shut down though. I usually like to leave it on IRC so I can check back what was happening while I was asleep. There may be an alternative way of doing that though, maybe...
Maybe the script can be modified to just lock up the screen or cause some sort of suspense instead of full shut down..
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[off topic] Make it change

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Make it change your password and then activate the screensaver Smiling .
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Summarizing some ideas

Let me try to summarise some the "products" or projects for them:

1) Taco's secret "Durian" project (what is it?)

2) to write/obtain practical articles about free software and find a smart way to attach the discussed software to the articles; and/or to make innovative combinations of text, software and images (Taco)

3) to sell services of constructing and maintaining interactive sites, with free software (Monserrat)

4) to offer advice to people who want it on how to switch to Free Software in their organaziation (in Brazil there are already consultant companies that do it, though they have to visit organizations to trainne and help new users of Linux/free software) (Dylunio)

5) to modify programs and websites for our customers and release the modifications to the public (Dylunio)

6) "Product creation and linked services" (Dylunio) (I haven't understood this product)

7) creating an internet music distribution service which would distribute only music licensed under CC-BY-SA and similar licenses, but would allow both the music creator and us as the distribution service to make money, by means of advertising (Danijel)

Cool to create a player that shows ads instead of making you listen to them. It would be allowed to export music files from the player, but you can only download them using that particular player (Taco)

9) to to be an advertising agency (both designing ad campaigns and getting them onto websites) with a free twist... don't ask me what that would be in practice (Taco)

10) to audit peoples software to make sure it complies with the Free Software license it has been put under; and to advise on the best Free Software license for a companies needs (Dylunio)

11) to create a mixed media game: Text, images, music, video, anything goes. There are two options to get advertisers to pay us a LOT: - Adventure game, and - Hide and seek puzzle game (Taco)

Well, Taco, you're the champion! The most imaginative ideas are yours! :-)

A comment on Taco's conclusion ("I think it shows selling something free is rather hard. What you need is added value"):

I think you're right. And I think we should try to sell a "service", not the "thing" produced. Do you understand? To sell the service means to sell the work to make the service, not the thing produced. So a higher added value happens when we are able to realize a difficult work of some service (and the things produced in digital ages must be free, or open, if you prefer, as Danijel also said).

Taco wrote:
"I think saying we are just four guys is an overstatement. You, monserrat, appear to be very busy, I will be extremely busy for the next year, so maybe we should say we are two guys plus two guys talking Sticking out tongue"

You're right again! :-) But even so I'd like to participate in such cooperative project.

Taco wrote:
"Another angle to look at the "problem": each of you, tell us an existing company and product that you would consider your ideal job and project.
Mine: benetech / martus"

Yeah... it's an exelent idea! :-) I think I'll look for some as well.

Taco also wrote:
"Let's take a systematic approach and answer these questions, in this order:
1 Who are we and what are our talents and weak sides and coincidental possible advantages and disadvantages?
2 What do we want to do with those talents?
3 How do we combine these wants of the different members?
4 How do we make money doing that?
5 What type of cooperation is the most suitable to do so?
6 How do we arrange that? (legal stuff and such)
7 Does everything make good business sense? Yes? Then go for it! "

I'll also answer these questions soon. I agree that we must know each other, our talents and skils, what we're good at, and also our desires and dreams. This is one important starting point, sure! But there is no need to have the same skills, actually it's better if they are complementary. Remind of those films that there are a small group of people who have different and complementary skils, and get to do amazing things together (of course, it's just films!)

Regarding the 12 alternatives of products, I think I we should choose or develop one, two or at most three of them that are easier, and that are in accordance with our skils. I've suggested to construct interactive sites because I think all of us are able to make it, aren't we?

The discussion is so far very good, and I think we should invite more people to join us. Maybe we could already write a summary of the ideas already raised and put in a small text of an open invitation. Or maybe should await a bit longer to know each other.

Well, let's continue this open discussion.

Monserrat.

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Durian is a secret project

Durian is a secret project because it uses an idea that seems to be a truly new one, and I don't want someone else to run with it and patent it.

It will make cooperation between writers, illustrators and translators (and others?) easier because they won't have to deal with each others material anymore. No need for discussions, accidentally using the wrong (old) version of a document, accidentally deleting each other's material, strict deadlines, etc etc. It will also take care of licensing issues.

How does it work? That's a secret!

By the way, you shouldn't expect this to be a huuuuuge invention. It will be pretty useful to small teams with well defined roles, that's all. In a more chaotic environment (anyone can edit anything) a wiki might be a better idea.

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Durian = Super Wiki

Okay... Durian project is a sort of 'Super Wiki' for cooperation between writers, illustrators and translators, and others... That sounds good, though is not secret any longer, now everybody know about it! :-D

But don't worry, Taco, I won't tell to anyone, only to some people in Internet! :-D

Monserrat.

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monserrat wrote: 6)
"monserrat" wrote:

6) "Product creation and linked services" (Dylunio) (I haven't understood this product)

It's where we create $Product and offer services for that product e.g. customasation, feature enhancements.

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The vague description of

The vague description of what it does is not a secret. The patentable parts of the idea are very secret.

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An example of $Product

Let's say, Taco's secret and patentable parts of the 'Super Wiki' would be the $Product and then we would offer services for that product, like customisation and feature enhancements. Is this tentative example right to illustrate your idea?

Monserrat.

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monserrat said: Let's say
monserrat wrote:

Let's say, Taco's secret and patentable parts of the 'Super Wiki' would be the $Product and then we would offer services for that product, like customisation and feature enhancements. Is this tentative example right to illustrate your idea?

Monserrat.

Is this directed towards me? If so, then yes, it does illustrate my (not at all origianal) idea.

dylunio

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