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A Non-traditional Open and Cooperative Business Proposition

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Good to hear we have ABPES

Good to hear we have ABPES support! Smiling I have opened a new thread to continue discussing the actual business idea, model and a business plan here: http://www.libervis.com/topic/coop_org_business_idea_model_plan_continued

As for smileys I will import more of the cool smileys including some of those we had on XOOPS. Smileys just aren't a priority though. Eye

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It's great that ABPES are

It's great that ABPES are pro this idea Smiling

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More smiles, but not now

Off topic: Don't mind, Danijel, I was just expressing my joy feelings! :-)

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Formal request from ABPES

André Ricardo wrote:

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São Paulo, August 30th 2006.

Dear LiberSystem's Members,

We are glad to know the possibiliy of LiberSystem to make ABPES' site, and that this work may help you to organize your cooperative. We foster empirical and theoretical researches on cooperative experiences in Brazil and free exchanges of them through the net. So, we are greatful to request the service of your cooperative organization to construct ABPES' site. Let me know what you'll need in order to make it. José, as a member of ABPES, may be in charge of keeping in touch with me and you.

I acknowledge beforehand for your attention.

André Ricardo de Souza
President of ABPES – Brazilian Solidary Economy Researchers Association

Don't mind about the name 'LiberSystem', I told him that we are still looking for a better name, while we are discussing several other issues about our work organisation, business plan, legal stuff, etc.

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Maybe we should use

Maybe we should use "Libervis Media" as our temporary name, because anyone who hears that name somewhere will find libervis.com (which of course is where we can be found) and "Media" gives some idea of what we do ("System" could even be robotics or something).

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That was nice to read. Are

That was nice to read. Smiling

Are we ready to do this work at this point? I mean we are not formed yet as an organization and are pretty much just in planning stages so there's no real organization to speak of yet, only a group of people planning to create an organization.

Still though, I suppose this could be the preliminary training. Maybe it doesn't matter if it is this early. Maybe it is even better this way so we can see how and if we can function together and might even give us some insights into the way it would be best to organize ourselves...

So, what does everyone think? Shall we go for it? If yes then we'll have to see the requirements of the ABPES project, what exactly would they want to use their site for, how would they like it designed and such details like that. And then we can start organizing our work.

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It depends. Do we want

It depends. Do we want everyone to do work? These days I'm working like crazy on my university project, posting to libervis and nuxified when I'm taking a break and not really doing anything else... And this is not going to change any time soon.

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tbuitehn wrote: It depends.
tbuitehn wrote:

It depends. Do we want everyone to do work?

Well if it is a sort of training/testing job then that would be ideal. Otherwise we could do it for publicity at least, but the more of us can be involved the better.

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I don't have problems with

I don't have problems with starting, a test project will be valuable.

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What ever happened?

Is this still bubbling in the background or on the back-burner for now?

I'm very slowly working toward something along these lines, phase one has to put bread on one table and it's not there yet. Only if that happens would I be in a position to engage with others meaningfully in contemplating organisation models for expansion.

Many developers are happy enough to take drupal or what-not and customise and that is no doubt a faster short term route to getting cash rolling in, but I've started to develop a php/mysql cms that I'm fully au-fait with so I can customise more easily down the line. Doing it 'my way' can be seen as a typical programmers flaw, or the reason some players are successful while others stagnate. Time will tell.

One issue I must eventually resolve is the license, but I'm not sure if the GPL fits with my aspirations. I want to enable more people to gain the freedom to earn a living in a fair way like I hopefully will, that is to get a fair share of generated wealth rather than further intensifying the rich-poor divide within or between nations.

If I eventually release my code under the GPL, what's to stop dominant forces from taking it and cutting the fair traders out of the market? So I started thinking along the lines of a co-operative license, but then I want charities, public bodies and the like to be able to avail of it too, and then I got thinking well I don't want it used for military purposes or to support dictators, and that opened up another can of worms around every campaign from gm-free food to drm-free to save the whales.

On the upside, a license which encompassed a raft of restrictions based on some synthesis of views on what is just use would redefine the political left-right license line, repositioning RMS and the FSF to around the centre...

But I remain unconvinced as to how to proceed, even leaving out usage restrictions, I can't even imagine how to practically preserve it's deployment to those not intensifying class division, what if I'm richer than a potential customer for example, there are times when even that's a win-win. That's why I've a feeling the license may be the wrong approach, and instead focus on an organisation of independent operators out to make a living rather than a killing. This all started when I read 'maverick!' by Ricardo Semler and discovered just what freedom and justice is possible in our working lives.

Insights welcome.

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