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Apple moves to Intel Chips

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As of 2006, Apple is due to use Intel Chips

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

I have mixed views on this. From the weaker positive side this may lead to Mac OS X being more "open" in a sense of being available on x86 architecture, but that is still to be seen. Using intel chips doesn't essentially means being on x86.

From the negative side, i somehow see this as a betrayal to many of the Mac zealots (i once was kind of one of them) who swear into PowerPC G4/G5 processors as being better than Intel and AMD counterparts. I just wonder what are they thinking now...

Also, we all (more or less) know about so called "wintel", that is cooperation between Intel and Microsoft ensuring that Intel processors be optimized for windows operating system. And now, Apple (which already has some partnerships with MS) goes about cooperating with Intel as well. Well, i just don't like this. If they were reaching out to AMD maybe i'd think differently (despite that "XP" in Athlon XP name) since AMD is much closer to the advanced PowerPC technology, but also much more supportive for Free Software and GNU/Linux than Intel..

Well.. there we go.. I'd say that we hope for the best and that Mac OS X will start running on x86, but then its still a proprietary operating system and it's very unlikely it will be freed as a whole anytime soon so.. maybe its just not an issue to focus on right now.. Oh well, back to our GNU/Linux puppy. ;-)

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

This is also interesting and calls for attention of the GNU/Linux community: Opinion: OS X on Intel challenges desktop Linux

It is true, especially if Mac OS X is gonna run on native x86 arch. It will become a new strong competitor to GNU/Linux as it will play on the same playing field, the most popular one: x86. Mac OS X is UNIX based, thats great, that UNIX base is OpenDarwin which is Free Software, that's also great, but it is still a proprietary operating system and that's far from great. And it will be even harder to stop people switching to Mac OS X exactly because of the mentioned traits. Many open source pragmatics wont think much before they switch to Mac OS X. It's based on "open source" afterall and that's what is gonna make them feel better about it.

Shortly said, if Mac OS X gets to x86 it is indeed a *great* challenge to GNU/Linux and thus Free Software, one that can only be beaten by making GNU/Linux excellent for desktops and penetrating it fast. The only, but unlikely alternative for Free Software community is to make Apple make Mac OS X a Free Software.

It's gonna get hot! Really hot!

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

It's getting confusing for me... LongWait will be delayed even more than MS OSes usually are, and contained much more vaporware (WinFS...), IBM plays a trick on MS and intel with cell/linux, Apple switches to a different processor again, but this time it's intel... What the **** is going to be the most used OS/processor combination in a few years????

I think microsoft is going to lose a lot of users to apple. Linux will lose some desktop users too, but many won't let themselves be locked in again so easily.

By the way, if the new macOS will run on intel, it will also run on AMD without problems. Unless it will need those new intel DRM features, that is.

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

Indeed, it seems like the whole information technology landscape is changing these days and who knows what is it gonna turn out to look like in the end.

But for one, i believe that MS is going down a bit. Their longhorn is a sign of some kind of sickness. I mean, so many delays certainly can't mean the company is in the perfect health. And then, their competitors are getting bigger, stronger and attack from various directions in various ways. GNU/Linux attacks with its freeness, philosophy, freedom from lock-in, Mac OS X may attack with its reputation as the most desktop friendly OS around and in other markets they have Internet Explorer vs. Mozilla Firefox, Apache vs. IIS etc.

As much, i believe that in this new landscape GNU/Linux is going up, dragging *BSD's along. We could say that, in a few years BSD is gonna have as much of overall market share (both desktop and server) as GNU/Linux did few years ago while GNU/Linux and Mac OS X will be somewhere equal and MS Windows will have the most, but surely falling down because of the GNU/Linux, Mac OS X and BSD. Solaris really doesn't count. :-P

GNU/linux is our team though so.. go go GNU, go go Linux! Go to the desktop and amaze those folks in the bedrooms and living rooms (where most home desktop comps reside)! ;-)

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

I think of it as nothing but a bit of competition. It's fair, but Apple now has to make their product so good that it'll be worth buying (I suppose as before... lol), instead of getting a free variant. Of course, my heart and efforts will remain with the open source community as always.
I personally this more of a threat to Microsoft than the open source community, but I suppose to remain in the market after project longhorn comes out by Microsoft, Apple had to change their restrictive ways.

Only important thing is that Apple doesn't compete unfairly, using patents and such to beat it's competitors like Microsoft does, but I am fairly competent that the competition doesn't turn ugly. :-)

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

I find this shift by Apple interesting, since I was talking to a Mac zellot in school a few months ago about Mac hardware, and he kept going on about how it was better than any other hardware.
One thing that I always get the impression is that the current mac hardware is good, and the that Intel is inferior (AMD isn't Eye). So by switching to intel I'd have thought that Apple might loose some support (though losing support dosn't necesserily mean loosing users).
On the other hand, apples are seeing more and more use with the development of the iPod - "Hey I like my iPod, I'll get a mac to go with it." - type of thing. Though ne thing that might discorage them is the fact that they don't understand PPC, they've all heard of Intel Pentium foo, but not of PPC, so by switching to intel apple may win over a few people that were weary of PPC.

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Re: Apple moves to Intel Chips

Someone told me apple has pretended to move to intel before. It's just a trick to get IBM to produce faster/cheaper processors. I still have to get up to date on this news, so I can't judge if it's for real this time.

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