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I was trying to find something that was entirely different from a raspberry, when I discovered something amazing:
Everything is connected in some way.

Don't believe me? State two things that aren't connected at all.

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Try to connect these.

Discordianism and, ummm, chestnut trees.

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Ermm.. everything is indeed

Ermm.. everything is indeed connected on some level I think. Everything that exists pretty much comes down to atoms and energy. You, me, our brains and impulses flowing through it.. everything comes down to that.

Now add some field theory to the whole thing (a theory which would say that every particle in the universe can hold an information relating to other particle anywhere in the universe) and that's it (I think that's a holographic universe theory).

I can't remember of anything that could come close to not being connected in some way connected right now. Eye

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I found it
tbuitenh wrote:

Discordianism and, ummm, chestnut trees.

Wikipedia wrote:

In the Principia Discordia, "Five tons of flax" is given as the answer to the question, "Is there an essential meaning behind POEE?"

People eat both flax and chesnuts.

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Easy One

That's an easy one. Not coming up with two, totally unconnected things, I mean. I mean your point in posing that challenge. It's a bit like asking someone to give an example of something that cannot be referred to. Bertrand Russell, et al, also come to mind.

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Well, the whole everything

Well, the whole everything is one, so asking to find two things that are not connected in any way is like asking to find two parts of something that aren't connected in any way, while they are obviously connected by the fact that they are both parts of the same thing.

And each time you imagine two things they are connected by the fact that you just imagined them, so your best bet in imagining them would be not to imagine them, which would fail because of that first reason in the post, not to mention that imagining something without imagining it is an impossible thing to do, unless you are out of your mind or on a verge of revolutionary discovery of a new sort of logic.

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Everything

The concept of everything, as in the universal set of all that ever was, is, or will be, at least connects everything in being thus classified. Is that the kind of thing you were aiming at, or more a chaos theory type of idea?

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That was, in a sense, what I

That was, in a sense, what I was aiming at, but not as a mere set of all things, but more as "the single one". I like to think about everything as a single unchangeable whole that contains whole space and time, and us as small parts of that. When you look at it like that, you get a sense of everything being still and definite, which is pretty beautiful, I think.

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Yes indeed I picked up on your post and should have used 'reply' to credit you with starting me down that road. But I think we may have a core difference in our preferences.

Maybe I'm projecting but I'd assumed that the paradox of the human mind that most people experience is that we can neither encapsulate infinity nor accept a limit to reality. IE. I can't 'picture' infinite space or time, but nor can I accept either a fixed space with nothing outside or something that's not made of something else, or time having a beginning or end.

For me this is appealing, preserving the possibility of an unending frontier of exploration and discovery no matter how widely or closely we observe or venture (when's 'fantastic voyage' showing again?). I welcome quantum uncertainty for the same reason, "God doesn't play dice with the universe", "Don't tell God what to do with his dice". Let the dice roll say I, I don't want to be able to predict too much any more than sports fans want to be certain of the outcome of every competition. I like to believe that it's all to play for and my choices change the future, as that babe in the terminator said "the future is not set".

So rather than still and definite, I prefer semi-predictable activity and infinite.

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Well um guys, how did you

Well um guys, how did you know that I will watch a show on syncronicity tonight? Laughing out loud You didn't. Interesting. Because I just watched a scientific show on syncronicity which basically concludes a lot of what you just described, and right after seeing the show I saw your posts here. But the thing is, I saw there were new posts to this "everything is connected" thread even before I saw the show. From whichever point of view you look at it, it's a weird coincidence, which is why I'm so much enjoying this right now. Laughing out loud

Man, it doesn't need to be explained. We are part of the whole which is part of another whole and so on and on. Maybe there is a limit there somewhere, but that doesn't have to matter to us. Life is a journey that should never end. Everything is connected and in some way related and how much of that "relatedness" will we perceive is simply up to how open can we get ourselves consciously or unconsciously to see it. Smiling

Syncronicity rules! Connectedness rules! Collective mode rules! Laughing out loud

Cheers

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The Pebble

Well you asked a question, so I don't see how you didn't reply to me, I didn't like the fact I broke the flat layout of the topic Smiling.

We are not able to imagine infinity or multidimensional spaces (we are struggling with three dimensions, there are claims about some people being able to operate in four), but we are capable of grasping the concept of multidimensional spaces and objects, and the concept of infinity (for as much as you choose, there is more).

The four dimensional space-time bent into itself so that it doesn't have border and is infinite (but repetitive) in every direction is conceptually no different from a two dimensional plane bent into a sphere. This is what "everything" I was referring to looks like. When you step out of it and look at it in its totality, there is no problem with nothing being around it, because all space is contained in the space-time, so there is nothing around to be empty.

When you look at space itself, you see that it is constantly changing with time. But when you step out and look at space-time, it looks fixed. If it were changing, then some external time dimension with which the space-time changes would have to exist. This maybe changes things if there were infinitely many time dimensions, but I like the simpler solution more, so I'll stay with four dimensions.

When I look at universe like this, as a non-changing four dimensional object, it looks wonderful to me (I like to imagine it as a pebble). It is fixed, it contains everything and it simply is. Every happening is a dot in it, every human life is a spark of conscience. Some sparks are extending to the Moon and back, some probably to Mars and further, and there are probably many different types of sparks throughout the pebble. Maybe the pebble itself glows a bit. And it all simply is, in all of its complexity.

This view brings one problem with it - a lack of true free will and choice. But I don't see free will or choice as fundamentally necessary, so it doesn't bother me much. After all, we don't need free will because we are simply fixed four dimensional objects inside the pebble. Free will has no meaning in the totality of the pebble, it is an illusion of living consciously through time. In this picture, it is a nice little effect.

This all is, off course, a simple speculation about the possible setup of "everything", but I think it paints an interesting picture.

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