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In recent years, there's been a lot of people clamoring to reform and restrict intellectual-property rights. It started out with just a few people, but now there are a bunch of advocates saying, "We've got to look at patents, we've got to look at copyrights." What's driving this, and do you think intellectual-property laws need to be reformed?

No, I'd say that of the world's economies, there's more that believe in intellectual property today than ever. There are fewer communists in the world today than there were. There are some new modern-day sort of communists who want to get rid of the incentive for musicians and moviemakers and software makers under various guises. They don't think that those incentives should exist.

And this debate will always be there. I'd be the first to say that the patent system can always be tuned--including the U.S. patent system. There are some goals to cap some reform elements. But the idea that the United States has led in creating companies, creating jobs, because we've had the best intellectual-property system--there's no doubt about that in my mind, and when people say they want to be the most competitive economy, they've got to have the incentive system. Intellectual property is the incentive system for the products of the future.

http://news.com.com/Gates+taking+a+seat+in+your+den/2008-1041_3-5514121.html

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http://tlf.cx/bilder/communism-opensource.png

This one is old. Funny how humor sometimes becomes reality.

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Calling us communists is the "typical newbies mistake" so to say. Usually, when someone that knows practically nothing of FOSS hears something about it, they can sometimes dump it under communism.. and it is simple incredible that someone like Bill Gates says this.. incredible in a way that removes him every credibility.

He's simply set on a goal to spread FUD that some people that don't know better might just buy..

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Yes, it is common to label things somehow just to mark them as "wrong", this is what Bill Gates is doing here. Calling someone a communist in USA is probably one of the worst accusations one can make (remember that anti communist paranoia americans had in the last century).

Anyway, I don't mind if someone calls me (or something that I support) communist (or communism). I think that communism has really great things built into it, it is a great system that is too perfect to work in practice. And socialism with its horrible dictatorship (Stalinism) is what people call communism today.

So, calling us communists is either a newbie's mistake (as Libervisco said) or it is an targeted attempt to label us as "wrong" and create bad image of us in the eyes of people that don't know (much) about FOSS.

This is a low hit from Bill Gates, I don't know how can he consider himself a visionary (remember that Bill's "I have a vision about a computer in every home..." phrase) and still use these dirty tricks to undermine the movement that is one of the purest (in ethical or whatever context you wish) movements that exist today.

It seems to me now even more that his vision is merely a vi$ion.

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So, calling us communists is either a newbie's mistake (as Libervisco said) or it is an targeted attempt to label us as "wrong" and create bad image of us in the eyes of people that don't know (much) about FOSS.

I meant on both. I don't say that real communism was all bad, just that free software movement is actually NOT communism. It is just being mistakenly called as such by some people who simply don't know enough about it, or by people who want to attack us, like Billy here.

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It seems to me now even more that his vision is merely a vi$ion.

Indeed, that's a pitty!

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He's simply set on a goal to spread FUD that some people that don't know better might just buy..

Isn't this what has built his whole Windows Empire? Bill is quite convincing when you haven't pinpointed him as a vile propagandist for his money driven mediocre-ware from Redmond.

Too bad that FOSS is a whole new ballgame, that combines completely level capitalistic competition with a community owned code environment.

FOSS is something incredible. On the one hand, collective code is community owned, on the other hand you can build multibillion dollar businesses on it. I don't think FOSS is classifiable in the old 1950s economic models.

Is there already something written about Information Economics?

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we've had the best intellectual-property system--there's no doubt about that in my mind

Of course, it has been the best intellectual property system for microsoft. :yes:

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we've had the best intellectual-property system--there's no doubt about that in my mind

Of course, it has been the best intellectual property system for microsoft. :yes:

How convinient for them hah! It just seems like everything is *good* and *right* if it goes by the IT (or whole) world domination strategy of Micro$oft, and not that something is *good* or *right* because by some objective logics and ethics. M$ has it's own ethics codex, which is actually not ethical at all.

Hmh.. anyone gets me there? Laughing

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Yes, it is easy to twist the meaning of "good" and "right" to suit your needs, especially if you are a huge corporation that is in position of monopoly. People just want these companies to tell them what is right and what is wrong so that they don't have to come up with what's right or wrong themselves.

And now, people are being told that Free Software Movement is communism, and they have a strong blurry feeling that communism has something to do with Russia and they don't like niether communism nor Russia (well, they don't know exactly why, but it doesn't matter at all), so it all together casts a really dark shadow on FSM.

And that is exactly what suits Microsoft, it is just so easy to create public opinion when you have such a strong influence that MS has. It is just a good old collective brainwashing.

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Indeed stojic..

One thing though... you didn't clearly stated.. do you consider FSM to be communism oe anyhow communistic?

It seems to me more that you are trying to say that communism is not what people think it is than you say that FSM actually is not really a communism at all.

I don't believe that FSM is communism which doesn't means i think of communism as something very bad (as most of people today may think), just that FSM is still something different. One thing that characterises communism is the state controled economy, it's socialism basically.. and FSM is in no way going down that road. It wants freedom to every individual equaly, but not under the hat of the state. Material property that can be owned (unlike information and software) is (including the material means of software distribution) private property and FSM doesn't have a problem with that.

FSM is neither socialism (e.g communism, marxism etc.) nor completely capitalism. It is actually something new, or at least the core of something new.. some call it GPL society and i call it infoliberism or free information society, but it's neither capitalism as we know it nor socialism as we "knew" it.

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If the FSM can be compared to any political system, it must be anarchism. I don't mean anarchism in the "order is bad, chaos is good" sense, but as in "everyone thinks for themselves and contributes in their own way".
But let's not say FSM == some political system, because it has very little to do with politics. It is a combination of an ideology and a method, and that method is not politics.

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