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"noone forces you to buy microsoft software"

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Something that really annoys me in discussions about microsoft is that pro-M$ people keep claiming that noone is forced to buy microsoft software.
Has any of them ever tried to buy a laptop without an OS on it? It's not possible. If this laptop is not made by apple, what OS is pre-installed on it? MS-Windows. If I don't use MS-Windows but install linux/bsd/etc instead, will I get a refund from the shop, the manufacturer of even m$ themselves? No.

Q.E.D.

Of course I could still buy an apple laptop, but then I'm forced to buy MacOS, which I don't want to have either, so that is NOT an alternative.

By the way, the only way to buy a M$-free desktop computer is to buy it in parts.

Sleep well and have nice closed source dreams.

PK

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Re: "noone forces you to buy microsoft software"

I agree with you on this.

I heard that you could actually get a refund or at least choose if you'd like a machine with or without windows pre-installed when they should drop the price if you choose it without, but i am not sure how's it really in practice.

However, in any case, it's so much better to buy the parts and make put your own computer together. And it's not only because you're free of them putting the OS you don't want in your hands, but because you can decide on exactly which components do you want or need as well as you can research and with your knowledge use some tricks in putting it together to be much faster and better than it would be out of the box from some PC Shop.
I definitely recommend that for PC's

As for Mac OS X, i would actually , besides a PC, love to have a Mac. It's half open source and it's amazing and beautiful as no other.

Daniel :-)

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Re: "noone forces you to buy microsoft software"

Ever tried putting a laptop together with your own hands?

Yes, it is possible to get a refund from M$, or at least it used to be, but it is extremely difficult. Does someone here have the links to the stories?

Mac OS X: I don't like it. Too much eyecandy.
IMHO a really beautiful AND functional, although still a bit heavy on the eyecandy, GUI is QNX Photon
some screenshots here: http://vitacpp.0catch.com/
the best GUI, but not very beautiful, is OpenLook
http://www.plig.org/xwinman/screenshots/olvwm-coyote.gif

(I think I already said I'm on a project that aims to be the successor for the now dead OpenLook. Shhh! Top secret! Laughing )

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Re: "noone forces you to buy microsoft software"
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(I think I already said I'm on a project that aims to be the successor for the now dead OpenLook. Shhh! Top secret! Laughing )

Yes, you did. Not much of a top secret anymore, isn't it!? Wink

I can see how programmers don't quite appreciate the eye candy, but the rest of us love it Laughing

I don't probably have to tell you that i like that QNX GUI more that OpenLook.
However, i like when people reviev old projects. Many of the old and failed projects have some great undiscovered value which once brought to life can mean alot. And what better way there is to bring an old projects to life than through open source, unaffected by business economy, and still being able to be "economic" .. Laughing
Think of Haiku OS (aka OpenBeOS, aka BeOS revival). Ckeck out this thread for more on beos revival.

Daniel :-)

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Re: "noone forces you to buy microsoft software"

I don't mind eyecandy as long as it does not affect the usability of the software. I think making windows transparent (and less readable) is a bad idea.
Yes openlook was ugly but it's widgets were very recognizable. Also the menus showed some very interesting behaviour of which I don't understand why noone copied it. Best thing was the olvwm virtual desktop that had waaaay more possibilities than any pager panel app in Gnome, KDE or whatever. I really miss it.

I am not reviving openlook, I'm just stealing all the good ideas (and not the bad ones), combine these with some ideas from QNX Photon, and throw in just as many ideas myself.
Will it ever become a usable desktop environment? We'll see. Not anytime soon.

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Re: "noone forces you to buy microsoft software"

Well, i wish you good luck on that project! :-)

Daniel

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