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Anyone heard of a project called Service Nation?

Apparently they're trying to compell everyone in United States to do public service on September 27th 2008, in a nutshell. They, of course, speak of stuff like unity, being the change and all the other warm and fuzzy things. As it usually happens this, in fact quite heinous project, is being clothed into all of the good buzz words and slogans they can think of.

Do you think they have the right to pass a law which makes it illegal if anyone doesn't do public service on that day?

I for one don't. In fact I'm starting a project at and taking this thing head on. I've got the design skills and thanks to a friend as well as my insights regarding the nature of terms they use to delude people, I've got some incredibly solid material to throw out there against this project. I might not be living in US, but personally borders and location don't matter to me. If I see an opportunity to dispell a lie I will speak. Besides, I might be a future US inhabitant.



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Does ServiceNation support mandatory national service?

No. We support the idea of voluntary community and national service. We are working to both inspire more Americans to volunteer their time and to encourage our leaders to create service opportunities for every American who wants to serve their community and country. We do not support mandatory national service requirements.



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They've largely changed the

They've largely changed the tune in the recent weeks due to criticism of other people also concerned about mandatory service. Since writing this topic I've also been informed that they now aren't actually about pushing mandatory service and they seem to want to distance themselves from the National Service Act.

Nevertheless, National Service Act exists and is alive and well and the organization pushing it is also a supporter of the Service Nation campaign. On the National Service Act site you can find this:


When people speak of National Service, the question invariably arises whether we are talking about voluntary or mandatory service. The answer is both.

Then when you look at the text of the Universal National Service Act of 2007, where it defines "voluntary" service (section 103 e) it says this:


(e) Voluntary Service - A person subject to induction under this title may--

(1) volunteer to perform national service in lieu of being inducted; or

(2) request permission to be inducted at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.

So you cannot actually choose NOT to do it. You only have a choice to do some other kind of service instead or do it at another time. But that's not "voluntary". Choosing between what you're going to be forced to do cannot be called "voluntary". But as you can see they're being quite subtle about it. Even this very text can be looked at by someone easily deceived and agree that National Service Act nor the National Service campaign have no danger of pushing mandatory service, yet that seems to be the likely outcome.

Which is why I wouldn't just take a quote from the campaign site and call it an end all evidence.

That said, considering that they've changed their tack and are nevertheless professing to support true voluntary service only and that the campaign itself might not be in support of this exact bill, I've suspended my building of It may be that the Service Nation campaign is merely an "unfortunate" namesake of the more heinous Service Nation Act so attacking it "head on" might not be the best strategy at this point.

BUT, I still believe that this campaign is an excellent opportunity for the actual mandatory service to be pulled through. As you can see, it is pretty easy. The act is called the same as the campaign. The "voluntary" service is being redefined subtly. As the buzz around the campaign builds up, ANSA (Americans for National Service Act) may find it pretty easy to push their bill.

And bottom line is, even without the whole mandatory service business, Service Nation is largely misguided. It seeks to use government service to solve problems, yet governments cause most of them. It also popularizes the concept of "service" in the name of so called "public good" and "nation" thus boosting the legitimacy of those concepts. Yet in reality there is no such thing as "public good", only the good of the individuals which ultimately make up a healthy society. Rolling Eyes


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Wow, I never even heard of

Wow, I never even heard of the service nation thing until today. Then again, I never read any mainstream news except occassionaly what is on the yahoo front page. I think I may have heard about the legislation thing though. I think people (in my country the USA) used to do more community service in general than they do now, and I think a lot of factors are going into that. For one thing, I think work takes up more of people's lives than it used to (longer workweeks anyone) for another, I know some people are disgusted with their communities, namely the people in them and would rather not run into someone they know.

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You thought this was bad?

Well, I'm performing something of a thread necromancy here, but I think this is relevant to the topic at hand. The "Service Nation" project seems downright frivolous compared to soon-to-be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's plan for America. Take a look at this video. Rahm Emanuel, in a C-SPAN interview from 2006, outlines a rough piece of theoretical legislature--in another video he terms it "Universal Civil Defense Training".

Rahm waves the banner of service to country, matter-of-factly declaring that "citizenship is not an entitlement program". Of course!-- if you citizens allow the rope of "service" around your neck to become too slack, we have no choice but to step in and tighten it up for you--don't worry, we'll do it slowly at first. If you let forth a single sigh of relief on January 20, at least think back and remember that Bush never seemed so enamored with "service". But Rahm Emanuel is ready, along with Obama, on day one to slowly reign you in and tighten that rope, all the while enticing you with promises of "change". This is the end of eight years of stumbling and mistakes--with Obama's inauguration begins the term of purposeful, calculated deception and herding (via a slowly increasing infusion of patriotic zeal), carried out behind a facade of "change". This is not one day of service. Rahm is talking about three--hey, what the hell, maybe even four!--months of "training". Make no mistake--this miniature draft will be required, according to Emanuel. "Are you worried about this?" he asks the reporter as he is bombarded--quite understandably--with more questions.

Rahm wants to make sure there is a "body of citizens who are ready, and capable, and trained" in the event of a tragedy. The reserves of the military are too little, our good American men are becoming to self-interested to serve like the great generations of yesteryear! No, you must pay your just dues, for citizenship is no entitlement program--no longer is it your choice to lend your will to the country, now it swallows it up itself. Do you not want a "sense of what it is to be an American?" A population of citizens is so much more effective a tool if they are all striving for the same end--to be a good American and serve their country. As Obama demonstrates at the end of video #1, his purpose is to make the citizenry just as effective a tool as the military, to infuse the citizenry with patriotic zeal, just like that of the hitherto volunteer military.

"Are you worried about this?" The good American citizen, the common patriot, the embodiment of American values, has no reason to be worried! Why would you be worried? You are a proud American, after all, are you not? Do you not share in the "common American values" of the country? If you are anything less than enthusiastic to serve, how can you call yourself an American, a true man!

Well, I make no claim to either.


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Thanks for posting this.

Thanks for posting this. Perhaps if I decide to revive the ServitudeNation site (as a side project cause I've got plenty of other web projects) this thread could serve as a reference.

It's one of the sickest thing I've ever heard, that statement that citizenship is not an entitlement. You can't even choose not to be a citizen and now you're supposed to pay special service for this apparently "privilege". This should be blood boiling, but Obama maniacs seem to be ready to eat it all up.

postanimal wrote:

This is the end of eight years of stumbling and mistakes--with Obama's inauguration begins the term of purposeful, calculated deception and herding (via a slowly increasing infusion of patriotic zeal), carried out behind a facade of "change".

How true. As Kevin (on our IRC) says, he finds Obama quite scary, perhaps even more scary than John McCain. The reason is that Obama actually seems to understand things perfectly well, such as the nature of government as a monopoly on violence. He said it himself, check the last video here. It would seem as if this guy knows perfectly well what he's doing. Indeed, there's no stumbling and incompetency here the way you'd expect from Bush or even McCain. I don't know what his justifications are, but if despite knowing all that he does he still believes in violating people like this, he's about the most dangerous statist weapon there is. He will know how to calculate deception, bring about mass of support, while driving the cattle... well.. you know. Sad


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