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Where can I buy a non-DRM'd DVD Player?

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I expect that everything on the shelf nowadays is fully DRM'd but perhaps someone knows of something?

Thanks in advance.

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What do you mean my

What do you mean my non-DRMed

Do you mean that the DVD players use something like macrovision to prevent recording of the video with another device?

Or do you mean the DVD player is incapable of playing CSS-Encrypted DVDs (almost every DVD on the market.. in the US anyway, no idea about elsewhere. :|)?

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I'd like to know if I can

I'd like to know if I can buy a dvd player that does not incorportate DRM technology anywhere.

Thanks

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You want to buy a dvd player

You want to buy a dvd player without CSS? The thing you put next to your television or the thing you put in your computer? If it's the first, I don't think those exist, cause who would buy a player on which most dvds you can buy or rent from the normal places won't play?

On the other hand, dvd player for which CSS can easily be enabled for regions for which it's not supposed to be enabled are easy to get.
(By enabling CSS I mean it will decode, this might be confusing).

May I ask what you need a "cleaner" but less useful dvd player for?

Or are you talking about the DRM that is supposed to be introduced along with HDTV?

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tbuitenh wrote: May I ask
tbuitenh wrote:

May I ask what you need a "cleaner" but less useful dvd player for?

Some people don't want to support DRM, and this means by purchasing products that require, use or enforce them.

The problem is, frankly, that if you want to play commercial DVD's as of right now, that's not possible. I have one DVD video in my home that is NOT restricted by DRM and that is a home brewing video that came with an order... Certainly not something released by a major media company.

tbuitenh wrote:

Or are you talking about the DRM that is supposed to be introduced along with HDTV?

In the US, this has been effective since, I believe, March 2007. If my memory is correct, the term "High Definition" was defined as 1080i or 1080p or better future techology. All devices sold as "High Definition" must be that res or higher... In terms of mass market TV's, it'll have DVI-D or HDMI connectors, which BOTH require Intel's DRM to function...

I didn't know about DRM when I began using DVD's, but I DO know of the HDTV restrictions, which is exactly why I won't be buying one.

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to play dvds of course, but...
Kevin Dean wrote:
tbuitenh wrote:

May I ask what you need a "cleaner" but less useful dvd player for?

Some people don't want to support DRM, and this means by purchasing products that require, use or enforce them.

In that case, I would suggest a MythTV. It will play dvds, and you're not paying anyone for css.

What I'm curious about is whether windowsrefund wants to prove a point by showing it is impossible to get a "real" dvd player without css, or maybe wants a way to show how many dvds are css-cripled, or something else.

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You know, when I was reading

You know, when I was reading this thread yesterday, indicating that there is really no DRM-free DVD device and that this will only be more so in the future an extremely rare moment occurred when I actually thought I could cease to be interested in technology at all if it shall happen that we fail to free it.

Really, it is so freaking annoying to battle a losing battle - the instinct is to just fly away!

Fortunately though, this is hardly ever going to happen because I'm too entrenched in a technological lifestyle. I'd rather go illegal than give it up and respect the restrictions! That's not gonna happen either.

So if all options are really dried out what are we going to accomplish by running away from it, not buying at all? We should buy and side with hackers - DeCSS that piece of [email protected] and play whatever you want on it. It's not about the device makers, it's about the entertainment industry. By buying these devices yet hacking their DRM you support the device maker, the more neutral party, more than that entertainment industry because you are circumventing their stuff - the more people do it (as their only remaining choice) the more pressure will be on them to just give it up.

So, unless there is a considerable alternative to these devices, I DON'T advise not buying DVD drives just because they all have DRM. I advise buying them and using them with a Free Software OS with libdvdcss installed!

But.. what would you say to that now? Oh, right, it's easy for me to say. In the police state that you call USA, you let those laws be enacted which make even this sort of disobedience harder. What can I say... I'm angry at such notions. Americans just screwed it badly. Either fix it or run away from it. Funny that a Croatian based site (Croatia being a more free country than USA today) is actually participating in fighting so many problems which really originated in USA! Not that I mind, in the contrary! More of the non-americans should be doing it, because we are all experiencing these US government/industry imposed problems. It's just interesting, and enough to justify a Croatian guy saying to a US guy something in the lines of this: "tough luck - your options haven't changed, give up or go illegal if there are no other options." We outside of your police state will morally support you!

Which is why I don't support rejecting patented software AND libdvdcss in GNU/Linux distros.

Cheers

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